GCisLottery
10-23 05:05 PM
Thanks for the reply Amoljak,
Now if you can please remove all the sarcasm and explain this in more detail in laymen's terms, it would really help me. I mean how is it that atleast 10 members on this site have mentioned people selling and buying LCs LEGALLY! Were they bluffing or are we reading into the law wrongly?
Thanks
I don't know the business of this, but it is just fraud and that's precisely why USCIS wants to get rid of it. It is a genuinely OK route for companies that can't hold onto people and has to substitute.
My assumption is they are "buying" those LCs and join those money making companies, stay there as long as they legally have to stay and get out.
Now some mod please close this thread.
Now if you can please remove all the sarcasm and explain this in more detail in laymen's terms, it would really help me. I mean how is it that atleast 10 members on this site have mentioned people selling and buying LCs LEGALLY! Were they bluffing or are we reading into the law wrongly?
Thanks
I don't know the business of this, but it is just fraud and that's precisely why USCIS wants to get rid of it. It is a genuinely OK route for companies that can't hold onto people and has to substitute.
My assumption is they are "buying" those LCs and join those money making companies, stay there as long as they legally have to stay and get out.
Now some mod please close this thread.
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kondur_007
07-29 02:48 PM
Well, I think the scenario is different. It is somewhere inbetween those two thought processes:
1. They are counting on CP case; but not much. If you look in the past stats about EB cases processed via CP, it is usually a very small number (and this would just make sense: if you are doing EB green card, you will be working in US and will do AOS). CP cases can not be more than several hundreds.
2. The major hopes DOS has is on USCIS to process large number of cases. And they ARE capable of doing so; but only RANDOMLY (not in the order of PD or FIFO or anything like that). It is very unlikely that DOS will let USCIS waste any visa numbers. Because it is DOS's responsibility, not USCIS's. And that was main reasoning behind July Fiasco; where DOS wanted to prove that it is not DOS but USCIS who is responsible for the wastage (remember, there were some 60000 visa numbers unused at that time). This time, they are playing the game of "cooperation". DOS will advance dates only till USCIS can handle (not everything Current); and in exchange USCIS will use up all the numbers.
If USCIS can not show that they have used up at least 75% (or something in that range) of the remaining visa numbers (which are probably in the range predicted in this thread giver or take few thousands) by mid august, DOS will further advance dates in sept. If USCIS shows that they used up most of the numbers, dates may go back. It would not matter what the dates are in sept as the end result is the same: all the remaining visa numbers will be used (probably randomly) to people with PDs upto mid 2006.
I do not buy the "CP using numbers" theory from Ron or Murthy. It is all about allowing USCIS to use the numbers randomly and let them pick the "low hanging fruits" (as they usually like).
For the next fiscal year, they will move dates back to mid 2004 (just a wild guess), but I dont think it matters any way...(till the end of the fiscal year). USCIS will probably go in hibernation again till the last quarter of next year and the date will advance again dramatically (may be upto 2008) to let them use all the left over/spilled numbers.
1. They are counting on CP case; but not much. If you look in the past stats about EB cases processed via CP, it is usually a very small number (and this would just make sense: if you are doing EB green card, you will be working in US and will do AOS). CP cases can not be more than several hundreds.
2. The major hopes DOS has is on USCIS to process large number of cases. And they ARE capable of doing so; but only RANDOMLY (not in the order of PD or FIFO or anything like that). It is very unlikely that DOS will let USCIS waste any visa numbers. Because it is DOS's responsibility, not USCIS's. And that was main reasoning behind July Fiasco; where DOS wanted to prove that it is not DOS but USCIS who is responsible for the wastage (remember, there were some 60000 visa numbers unused at that time). This time, they are playing the game of "cooperation". DOS will advance dates only till USCIS can handle (not everything Current); and in exchange USCIS will use up all the numbers.
If USCIS can not show that they have used up at least 75% (or something in that range) of the remaining visa numbers (which are probably in the range predicted in this thread giver or take few thousands) by mid august, DOS will further advance dates in sept. If USCIS shows that they used up most of the numbers, dates may go back. It would not matter what the dates are in sept as the end result is the same: all the remaining visa numbers will be used (probably randomly) to people with PDs upto mid 2006.
I do not buy the "CP using numbers" theory from Ron or Murthy. It is all about allowing USCIS to use the numbers randomly and let them pick the "low hanging fruits" (as they usually like).
For the next fiscal year, they will move dates back to mid 2004 (just a wild guess), but I dont think it matters any way...(till the end of the fiscal year). USCIS will probably go in hibernation again till the last quarter of next year and the date will advance again dramatically (may be upto 2008) to let them use all the left over/spilled numbers.
ilikekilo
07-10 08:02 PM
Changed my mind. Updated my message. I appreciate your defense.
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appreciate your ego strength man...thanks for the edit...u r the man..
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snathan
08-16 05:58 PM
SK2006 and snathan:
I do not agree.
First, there is no "profiling" in India. Everyone gets frisked and security at airports in India is top class. Problem with US is "only select" people get frisked most often based on their skin color or names. This is a fact. I am a frequent flyer consultant , I have observed this many many times.
Second, Indians are doing what they are supposed to do. first, they show respect to dignitaries by not frisking or not stripping robert gates, george clooney or bill clinton or any other dignitary from any other country. Americans are not doing what they are supposed to do.
When geroge fernandes was stripped , he had a diplomatic passport. Everyone knows he was defence minister and there was a delegation with him. Secondly, abdul kalam was frisked, which I feel is also negligence of Indian authorities not to be assertive.
So Indians are not doing their job by not being assertive and taking care of its own citizens. and not pressing for their own rights,
I do not feel so bad about Shahrukh, although I think it is profiling, as I do for fernandez and kalam.
This is nothing but profiling and some stupid hot headed mentality. Let there be frisking of americans and stripping of them at Indian airports. Will americans accept it? If not why should Indians not make noise about it?
Rules are rules, provided they apply equally to americans and Indians. otherwise its profiling or discrimination.
My point is Indians do not have the balls to do it. Forget americans....they can not even touch an indian MP. Every day lots common people going through this security check. Whats so special about SRK. He is king only in his mind/heart. For lot of people he is crap. No special treatment. Whats the big deal if he is detained for 1 hr. The world is not going to end
I do not agree.
First, there is no "profiling" in India. Everyone gets frisked and security at airports in India is top class. Problem with US is "only select" people get frisked most often based on their skin color or names. This is a fact. I am a frequent flyer consultant , I have observed this many many times.
Second, Indians are doing what they are supposed to do. first, they show respect to dignitaries by not frisking or not stripping robert gates, george clooney or bill clinton or any other dignitary from any other country. Americans are not doing what they are supposed to do.
When geroge fernandes was stripped , he had a diplomatic passport. Everyone knows he was defence minister and there was a delegation with him. Secondly, abdul kalam was frisked, which I feel is also negligence of Indian authorities not to be assertive.
So Indians are not doing their job by not being assertive and taking care of its own citizens. and not pressing for their own rights,
I do not feel so bad about Shahrukh, although I think it is profiling, as I do for fernandez and kalam.
This is nothing but profiling and some stupid hot headed mentality. Let there be frisking of americans and stripping of them at Indian airports. Will americans accept it? If not why should Indians not make noise about it?
Rules are rules, provided they apply equally to americans and Indians. otherwise its profiling or discrimination.
My point is Indians do not have the balls to do it. Forget americans....they can not even touch an indian MP. Every day lots common people going through this security check. Whats so special about SRK. He is king only in his mind/heart. For lot of people he is crap. No special treatment. Whats the big deal if he is detained for 1 hr. The world is not going to end
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jsb
06-03 03:29 PM
Where does one contribute to said lawsuit? If someone is willing to lead the effort, I'm willing to contribute a little money.
On July 17, 2007, when USCIS retracted cancellation of July '07 bulletin, as per link below:
http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/VisaBulletinUpdate17Jul07.pdf
They said, ..."Department of State has advised that Bulletin #107 (dated June 12) should be relied upon as the current July Visa Bulletin for purposes of determining employment visa number availability..."
Thus, a lot of us sent I-485 based on "visa availability" communicated herein. Can't lawyers now force USCIS to adjudicate all pending I-485 filings based on this. USCIS said in July, 2007 that visa is available for us (and on that basis we sent in our I-485's), where did it go away? Isn't it now their problem to somehow find those supposedly available visas advised in July 2, '07 bulletin?
On July 17, 2007, when USCIS retracted cancellation of July '07 bulletin, as per link below:
http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/VisaBulletinUpdate17Jul07.pdf
They said, ..."Department of State has advised that Bulletin #107 (dated June 12) should be relied upon as the current July Visa Bulletin for purposes of determining employment visa number availability..."
Thus, a lot of us sent I-485 based on "visa availability" communicated herein. Can't lawyers now force USCIS to adjudicate all pending I-485 filings based on this. USCIS said in July, 2007 that visa is available for us (and on that basis we sent in our I-485's), where did it go away? Isn't it now their problem to somehow find those supposedly available visas advised in July 2, '07 bulletin?
bobzibub
04-04 11:51 PM
I'm a computer guy. I just hear what is in the news. = )
hello bobzibub,
great to see someone welcoming immigrants. My wife is a dentist, licensed in one state of the USA. However she does not have a US DDS. She was licensed by the state as she has great experience and she passed all the tests needed. She has been very well practising dentistry for almost 2.5-3 years now in the US. However, Canada does not let internationally trained dentists get licensed without going to Canadian/American dental school. If you know of any place in CA which would license my wife as she has more than 7 years of exp (4+in India, alomst 3 in USA) and had passed all exams (Board, licensing etc etc), please let me know. That is the single most imp reason for me to still hang im here.
hello bobzibub,
great to see someone welcoming immigrants. My wife is a dentist, licensed in one state of the USA. However she does not have a US DDS. She was licensed by the state as she has great experience and she passed all the tests needed. She has been very well practising dentistry for almost 2.5-3 years now in the US. However, Canada does not let internationally trained dentists get licensed without going to Canadian/American dental school. If you know of any place in CA which would license my wife as she has more than 7 years of exp (4+in India, alomst 3 in USA) and had passed all exams (Board, licensing etc etc), please let me know. That is the single most imp reason for me to still hang im here.
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delhirocks
06-27 09:39 PM
Iam a little skeptical about the AILA comment, If USCIS had "far more than 40,000 AOS applications that are ready to be aproved", why the heck would they make all the dates current.
Some argue that they wanted to gauge the true demand for GC out there. But in order to do that, they would 1st have to accept the application, go over it, acertain the number of beneficiaries involved etc..
Out of all the versions that I have seen floating around, I find this the most plausable, undoubtedly USCIS has a ton of pending applications, but a lot of these are struck in various sub-procceses (Name check etc), since they do not want to waste the visa numbers like last year, they are inviting additional applications so that if nothing else, easiest of cases go through.
Not to say, what AILA is saying cannot happen, 'coz who knows how these things really work. USCIS is this big black hole...
According to the AILA, approximately 40,000 visas remain in all employment-based categories, other than EW, for FY2007, according to its sources, and that the USCIS has far more than 40,000 adjustment applications in the backlog queue that are ready for approval, not to mention the additional numbers which will be consumed in concular immigrant visa processing. It is thus possible that the cap may reach within a short period in July, even though no one can predict it until after July 2, 2007. The USCIS at this time does not have any policy announced with reference to July 2007 I-485 filings which are filed after certain date in July when the total number is exhausted. However, considering the fact that the USCIS currently rejects the "Other Worker" category I-485 applications even though June 2007 Visa Bulletin show current for certain applicants because the "other worker" category quota was exhausted on June 5, 2007. This raises a serious concern because as we reported earlier today, the USCIS appears to be picking up the speed of processing of backlog I-485 applications in anticipation of flood of July 485 applications. The USCIS hands may be tied, should the EB visa numbers for FY 2007 is exhausted before the end of July.
http://www.immigration-law.com/
Some argue that they wanted to gauge the true demand for GC out there. But in order to do that, they would 1st have to accept the application, go over it, acertain the number of beneficiaries involved etc..
Out of all the versions that I have seen floating around, I find this the most plausable, undoubtedly USCIS has a ton of pending applications, but a lot of these are struck in various sub-procceses (Name check etc), since they do not want to waste the visa numbers like last year, they are inviting additional applications so that if nothing else, easiest of cases go through.
Not to say, what AILA is saying cannot happen, 'coz who knows how these things really work. USCIS is this big black hole...
According to the AILA, approximately 40,000 visas remain in all employment-based categories, other than EW, for FY2007, according to its sources, and that the USCIS has far more than 40,000 adjustment applications in the backlog queue that are ready for approval, not to mention the additional numbers which will be consumed in concular immigrant visa processing. It is thus possible that the cap may reach within a short period in July, even though no one can predict it until after July 2, 2007. The USCIS at this time does not have any policy announced with reference to July 2007 I-485 filings which are filed after certain date in July when the total number is exhausted. However, considering the fact that the USCIS currently rejects the "Other Worker" category I-485 applications even though June 2007 Visa Bulletin show current for certain applicants because the "other worker" category quota was exhausted on June 5, 2007. This raises a serious concern because as we reported earlier today, the USCIS appears to be picking up the speed of processing of backlog I-485 applications in anticipation of flood of July 485 applications. The USCIS hands may be tied, should the EB visa numbers for FY 2007 is exhausted before the end of July.
http://www.immigration-law.com/
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msp1976
02-15 11:55 AM
hey anyone know why since democrats have taken control of house, senate, they havent uttered a word on immigration? last year there was so much noise on tv regarding immigration but none at all this year. i wonder what is going on.
Democratic Majority leader in senate has intruduced the bill S.9 and referred it to the Senate Judiciary commitee.... Immigration is a hot potato... Nobody want to pick it up directly...You are not gonna hear anyone speak about it loudly except the numbersUSA folks....That is the way it is...Wait a few weeks and the 'immigration bhangada(dance)' would start....
Democratic Majority leader in senate has intruduced the bill S.9 and referred it to the Senate Judiciary commitee.... Immigration is a hot potato... Nobody want to pick it up directly...You are not gonna hear anyone speak about it loudly except the numbersUSA folks....That is the way it is...Wait a few weeks and the 'immigration bhangada(dance)' would start....
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morchu
06-05 12:52 PM
It is very clear that there is absolutely no meaning for "quota" on 485 applicants.
They are allowed to continue to stay in US forever, from the date of their application (assuming the case is good, and eventually will be approved, when visa is available).
So the whole argument about "diversity" or even "controlled immigration" doesn't stand, since the 485 applicants are here permanently "except" for an official "GC card".
The only thing the "quota" does is creating "uncertainty" in the mind of genuine applicants. This causes less spending, less home buying and eventually causing bad for the US economy. This just creates a second layer of "tax-payers" who have extremely high "purchase power", but doesn't utilize their purchase power, due to "uncertainity"
I wonder why the politicians doesn't realize this simple fact yet?
They either shouldn't allow 485's to wait in US (for diversity & controlled immigration claim), or should just remove the quota for 485's, and let them live their lives & utilize their purchase power to help US economy.
They are allowed to continue to stay in US forever, from the date of their application (assuming the case is good, and eventually will be approved, when visa is available).
So the whole argument about "diversity" or even "controlled immigration" doesn't stand, since the 485 applicants are here permanently "except" for an official "GC card".
The only thing the "quota" does is creating "uncertainty" in the mind of genuine applicants. This causes less spending, less home buying and eventually causing bad for the US economy. This just creates a second layer of "tax-payers" who have extremely high "purchase power", but doesn't utilize their purchase power, due to "uncertainity"
I wonder why the politicians doesn't realize this simple fact yet?
They either shouldn't allow 485's to wait in US (for diversity & controlled immigration claim), or should just remove the quota for 485's, and let them live their lives & utilize their purchase power to help US economy.
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longq
02-14 05:42 PM
How do you know what the "intention" was of the lawmakers that recaptured visas are supposed to go to the retrogressed countries. If that was the case they would have gotten rid of the 7% limitation along with the recapture.
Most people who come on h-1b are Chines and indian. There was also close to 200,000 visitor visas approved in 2005 from India.
I never said AC21 recaptured numbers only for China and India. The reason for AC21 recapture is , there was a huge backlog in EB visas for China and India till 1999. Remember again, there were no backlog in ROW then. If there were no retro in EB visas for India and China in 1999, perhaps, there might not be an any provision to recapture 100,000 visas in AC21 act in 2000 and ROW probabaly might have not enjoyed about 80 to 100,000 EB3 visas in 2005. (Out of 147,000 EB3 visas issued in 2005 India consumed only 23,000). ROW only enjoyed most of the AC21 numbers.
Most people who come on h-1b are Chines and indian. There was also close to 200,000 visitor visas approved in 2005 from India.
I never said AC21 recaptured numbers only for China and India. The reason for AC21 recapture is , there was a huge backlog in EB visas for China and India till 1999. Remember again, there were no backlog in ROW then. If there were no retro in EB visas for India and China in 1999, perhaps, there might not be an any provision to recapture 100,000 visas in AC21 act in 2000 and ROW probabaly might have not enjoyed about 80 to 100,000 EB3 visas in 2005. (Out of 147,000 EB3 visas issued in 2005 India consumed only 23,000). ROW only enjoyed most of the AC21 numbers.
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shreekhand
09-15 11:55 AM
vdlrao,
Are you 100% sure that the data for calendar year 2005 includes the traditional labor certifications as well ? I did not see any in the txt file given on the DoL website for FY 2005.
Remember missing those out could mean missing huge numbers, I know several who filed from Jan 01, 2005 to just before PERM came into the picture in late March 2005.
Year, TOT_LBRS, Certified, LBR_INDIA PD_>_10/1/2001
2000 074048 70204 ????? 0
2001 082139 77921 ????? 0
2002 089168 79784 ????? 7873
2003 095299 62912 ????? 25956
2004 098866 43582 ????? 26569
2005 014253 06133 01350 6133
2006 105960 79782 22298 79782
2007 098753 85112 24573 85112
2008 061997 21092 07198 21092
Total 720483 526522 55419 252517
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum2-retrogression-priority-dates-and-visa-bulletins/23813-perm-labor-data-analysis.html
In 2005 there are a total of 01350 labors certified only for India.
In 2006 there are a total of 22298 labors certified only for India.
The other important thing here to note down is there are many outsourcing companies out there filed/filing GCs for their so called managers in EB1 category.
Are you 100% sure that the data for calendar year 2005 includes the traditional labor certifications as well ? I did not see any in the txt file given on the DoL website for FY 2005.
Remember missing those out could mean missing huge numbers, I know several who filed from Jan 01, 2005 to just before PERM came into the picture in late March 2005.
Year, TOT_LBRS, Certified, LBR_INDIA PD_>_10/1/2001
2000 074048 70204 ????? 0
2001 082139 77921 ????? 0
2002 089168 79784 ????? 7873
2003 095299 62912 ????? 25956
2004 098866 43582 ????? 26569
2005 014253 06133 01350 6133
2006 105960 79782 22298 79782
2007 098753 85112 24573 85112
2008 061997 21092 07198 21092
Total 720483 526522 55419 252517
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum2-retrogression-priority-dates-and-visa-bulletins/23813-perm-labor-data-analysis.html
In 2005 there are a total of 01350 labors certified only for India.
In 2006 there are a total of 22298 labors certified only for India.
The other important thing here to note down is there are many outsourcing companies out there filed/filing GCs for their so called managers in EB1 category.
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smuggymba
07-26 07:15 PM
I am not with Amway or Quixtar but I think the folks with Amway/Quixtar are under represented on this thread and it's not fair :-)
Just to add another dimention to this thread I will play the devil's advocate :D
Here I go ...
You guys are all wasting your free time bitching on this thread where as we are spending all our free time growing our business. We will retire early as we would make $xxxx/month for nothing when we turn 40 and dont need to work anymore where as all you guys bitching about Amway / Quixtar will still be working hard at your jobs till 60.
What's your response ?
:D:D:D:D
Anyone can make money in a ponzi scheme..quixtar people just stalk and talk to strangers and ask for their phone number.
Respect other people. Sorry if this offends you.
Just to add another dimention to this thread I will play the devil's advocate :D
Here I go ...
You guys are all wasting your free time bitching on this thread where as we are spending all our free time growing our business. We will retire early as we would make $xxxx/month for nothing when we turn 40 and dont need to work anymore where as all you guys bitching about Amway / Quixtar will still be working hard at your jobs till 60.
What's your response ?
:D:D:D:D
Anyone can make money in a ponzi scheme..quixtar people just stalk and talk to strangers and ask for their phone number.
Respect other people. Sorry if this offends you.
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chanduv23
09-26 01:47 PM
US economy situation is alarming. I doubt they will consider any immigration related bill until financial crisis stablises.2009 will be the key.Economy has to stablise. If not anti immigrants will block any bill citing the economy as the reason. If unemployment increases every month then any immigration reform is distance possiblity.Illegal immigrants are is getting publicity every year by rally for past 4 years but nothing happened. Pro immigrants are trying to block E-verify and some other anti immigration reforms. Anti immigrants are trying to block pro immigrant reforms. So any immigration reforms will be stalled until some compromise reached by moderates
How are you my friend, it has been a while since I seen you. Have you sent your emails yet?
How are you my friend, it has been a while since I seen you. Have you sent your emails yet?
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northstar
07-21 01:16 PM
Because of all these experiences, even when you genuinely smile or strike a conversation with a desi, he/she first suspects you to be an ammway guy. I face it everyday, being "outgoing extrovert" in nature, I tend to smile and talk to people in elevators, walkways, malls, restrooms, groceries etc... which is mostly casual fun stuff and most times desis suspect that I am a ammway guy and cut me out harshly.
That is so true chandu, a few bad apples are destroying the social fabric of entire desi community.
That is so true chandu, a few bad apples are destroying the social fabric of entire desi community.
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chi_shark
09-23 09:00 PM
have you ever considered that you may be too dumb to comprehend it? you can be classified in the same people who called gandhi's idea foolish or idea of a personal computer outlandish etc... if you cannot believe just sit back, relax and enjoy the flight.
i cant believe ppl think this is a brilliant idea..
economy is screwed for a while..citizens are on life support..and you want immigrants to be welcomed with open arms..
i cant believe ppl think this is a brilliant idea..
economy is screwed for a while..citizens are on life support..and you want immigrants to be welcomed with open arms..
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a_yaja
07-22 01:17 PM
To a_yaja,
Thanks for your detailed story my friend. This thread is turing into a support group for Amway/Quickstar victims.
How is your experience with your childhood Amway friend. Still friends or just keeping in touch because he has the acess to the Amway database? :P
I have come across quite a few of the Amway/ Quickstart folks. Like most of the people have described here, they usually approach me in Walmart, Meijer, etc. My first experience was in the temple. This dude and his wife went "oh wow! you know so many languages." After talking to the dude, he said that he knew some of my childhood friends and he remembered my face and that we could have possibly played cricket together in our childhood days (this itself should have raised red flags - but I was naive then and didn't think twice). Long story short, we exchanged phone #s and next day he called me and asked me to meet him at his home. He was running an "ecomm business" and was looking for partners. I asked him if he was talking about Amway and he innocently asked me "What is Amway?" I agreed to meet him but something bothered me. I called up another childhood friend who was in Amway and asked him about this dude. Sure enough he was an Amway-ite and already a "Diamond". I was mad and did not go to his house. He called me a couple of times but I never picked up the phone.
We remain good friends and agreed to disagree on Amway. Now our kids have also friends and when they grow up hopefully will continue being "friends from childhood" :-). And ofcourse - he is still a good source of Amway-ites.
Thanks for your detailed story my friend. This thread is turing into a support group for Amway/Quickstar victims.
How is your experience with your childhood Amway friend. Still friends or just keeping in touch because he has the acess to the Amway database? :P
I have come across quite a few of the Amway/ Quickstart folks. Like most of the people have described here, they usually approach me in Walmart, Meijer, etc. My first experience was in the temple. This dude and his wife went "oh wow! you know so many languages." After talking to the dude, he said that he knew some of my childhood friends and he remembered my face and that we could have possibly played cricket together in our childhood days (this itself should have raised red flags - but I was naive then and didn't think twice). Long story short, we exchanged phone #s and next day he called me and asked me to meet him at his home. He was running an "ecomm business" and was looking for partners. I asked him if he was talking about Amway and he innocently asked me "What is Amway?" I agreed to meet him but something bothered me. I called up another childhood friend who was in Amway and asked him about this dude. Sure enough he was an Amway-ite and already a "Diamond". I was mad and did not go to his house. He called me a couple of times but I never picked up the phone.
We remain good friends and agreed to disagree on Amway. Now our kids have also friends and when they grow up hopefully will continue being "friends from childhood" :-). And ofcourse - he is still a good source of Amway-ites.
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perm2gc
10-24 04:47 PM
One person stepped out of the line and another one took his place... How is that worse for you (or anybody else)? (let alone worst) You are still 957,643rd in the line :)
Line will always move forward not stand still like a wall...:p :p :p
Line will always move forward not stand still like a wall...:p :p :p
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edgarrecto
02-12 03:07 PM
Just missed.... My PD is EB3 Sep 2001... Not sure what is going to happen because of the latest name check procedure change....
my pd is september 27,2005. i am from thephilippines. i guess eb3 for philippines will be current very very soon
my pd is september 27,2005. i am from thephilippines. i guess eb3 for philippines will be current very very soon
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brahmam
09-15 11:29 AM
you are right in Aug 2008 so many people wth PD of 2005 & 2006 got approved. I would have been a lucky one but unfortunately my Birth Certificate turned out to be the culprit and ended with with an RFE. By the time I answered the RFE visa # were exhausted and I was left behind.
Absolutely. this factor needs to be taken into account. One of my friends that filed PERM in sep 2005 before the dreaded retrogression was gonna hit - he got approved in jul/aug 2007 and consumed 2 GCs. another with Nov 2005 data got through last august 2008 and consumed 4 GCs. there are a lot of such folks and not every updates .
the unknown factor though is the traditinoal EB2 RIR labors filed in mar 2005, before PERM got in. Just from CISCO, I think there were around ~1000 applicants.
Absolutely. this factor needs to be taken into account. One of my friends that filed PERM in sep 2005 before the dreaded retrogression was gonna hit - he got approved in jul/aug 2007 and consumed 2 GCs. another with Nov 2005 data got through last august 2008 and consumed 4 GCs. there are a lot of such folks and not every updates .
the unknown factor though is the traditinoal EB2 RIR labors filed in mar 2005, before PERM got in. Just from CISCO, I think there were around ~1000 applicants.
alterego
12-14 01:33 PM
Think of lobbying as polite negotiation.
Think of Supreme court case as picking a fist fight, in which we are badly out numbered.
Once you have started a fist fight it is much harder to negotiate, especially from a loosing position.
This is exactly correct. It is not the question of right or wrong here. That is what gets folks so upset on this thread, they feel since their viewpoint s right then.......... Most neutral observers like mbartosik can see this as unjust and there may be many in the US as well, however certainly not the majority. However, there are many ways in which this could backfire. One example is the recently seen debate over illegal immigration and the turn in public sentiment. Truth be told, if someone did something wrong 12 yrs ago(crossed the fence), now is married to a US citizen and has 3 US children, what do you do with them? What about the 3yr old who was brought to the USA by their parents and knows no other system? Perhaps a few years ago joe public would have given them a pass, no more, the debate has become so nasty that positions have been hardened to the point that reason does not prevail. Another reason has something to do with the perceived sense of entitlement Americans sensed in the illegal immigrant community(of course fanned by Lou Dobbs and his ilk). These are complex issues and generally you will get a lot further appealing to someones sense of fairness than explaining how you are entitled to something and will take it from them if it is not given to you.
Think of Supreme court case as picking a fist fight, in which we are badly out numbered.
Once you have started a fist fight it is much harder to negotiate, especially from a loosing position.
This is exactly correct. It is not the question of right or wrong here. That is what gets folks so upset on this thread, they feel since their viewpoint s right then.......... Most neutral observers like mbartosik can see this as unjust and there may be many in the US as well, however certainly not the majority. However, there are many ways in which this could backfire. One example is the recently seen debate over illegal immigration and the turn in public sentiment. Truth be told, if someone did something wrong 12 yrs ago(crossed the fence), now is married to a US citizen and has 3 US children, what do you do with them? What about the 3yr old who was brought to the USA by their parents and knows no other system? Perhaps a few years ago joe public would have given them a pass, no more, the debate has become so nasty that positions have been hardened to the point that reason does not prevail. Another reason has something to do with the perceived sense of entitlement Americans sensed in the illegal immigrant community(of course fanned by Lou Dobbs and his ilk). These are complex issues and generally you will get a lot further appealing to someones sense of fairness than explaining how you are entitled to something and will take it from them if it is not given to you.
PavanV
09-04 12:38 AM
Guyz,
Can you stop bickering about YSR, the mans gone !!. He has done a lot for backward castes and minorities
(from what i hear, gave reservations), I must say however that he had very bad reputation for being a Goonda during his college days, and a very notorious politician for proselytism. I have been to interior Andhra recently, it felt like I am in Rome, there is a church almost every 10 kms !!, people don't practice Christianity that vigorously over here in the US ! (no offence intended against Christianity). Hopefully folks who covert have a better life, the caste system did treat them very badly.
Peace.
Can you stop bickering about YSR, the mans gone !!. He has done a lot for backward castes and minorities
(from what i hear, gave reservations), I must say however that he had very bad reputation for being a Goonda during his college days, and a very notorious politician for proselytism. I have been to interior Andhra recently, it felt like I am in Rome, there is a church almost every 10 kms !!, people don't practice Christianity that vigorously over here in the US ! (no offence intended against Christianity). Hopefully folks who covert have a better life, the caste system did treat them very badly.
Peace.